Saturday, August 7, 2010

Ten Differences Between Odinism and Asatru by Wyatt Kaldenberg

Ten Differences Between Odinism and Asatru by Wyatt Kaldenberg

Many people new to Heathenism have asked me what’s the difference between Odinism and Asatru. Many people think the words are interchangeable. They are not.

First, there are many more difference between Odinism and Asatru than just ten, but top ten lists are very popular today. I could have written 100 difference, but I want to get this list out before next year. Also, I don’t mean this as a put down of Asatru in anyway. This is just to show folks a few of the differences between these two religions.

To really get a clear picture, read Sigi Harrbard’s book, The New Odinism, 1982, published by Asgard Press, or Odinism: Past, Present, and Future by Osred, 2010, published by LuLu, and compare these two books to anything that the Troth has publish and you will see the differences between Odinism and Asatru.

First, Asatru and Odinism seem to be the same thing to outsiders just as Christianity and Islam seem to be the same religion to many Heathens. But people on the inside see great differences. Here are ten differences I will just pull off the top of my head. I have no idea what the ten will be. They will be in no order I am guessing, but who knows. They will be merely the first ten differences to come to mind. Some really big differences may not make my top ten list. Well, here are ten differences between Odinism and Asatru.


1. Modernism vs. reconstructionism. Asatru and other sects of Heathendom wish to reconstruct the old Heathen religion, so they can practice it like our ancestors did and bring it into the modern world by studying the Eddas, Sagas, folklore, and books on Norse Myths. Odinists believe that the past is a good place to do research, but Odinism is a religion of the here and now. We do not put as much importance in studying and reconstructing the past. The Gods are living being that are alive today. We can contact the Gods here today, so if we can contact our Gods directly and find out from them what they want today; how is studying books on myths more important than direct contact? So, studying the Vikings, Goths, etc. is more important to Asatru people than to Odinists, albeit Odinists read the Eddas and Sagas too. The Eddas and Sagas are not a Heathen Bible as some Asatru people think. They were written by Christians, not Heathens. This point was too long. The rest should be shorter I hope.

2. Asatru people often dress up like Vikings, Saxons etc. and learn dead languages. They try to make blottir look like something out of the middle ages. Odinists do blottir in modern dress and speak modern languages to the Gods. The Gods are Gods. They are smart enough to learn a new language.

3. Asatru is a catch all. Asatru can mean anything from a front to a homosexual pedophile sports club like Stephen Cox and the creepy Jarls of Balder tried to set up in the U.K. to new age Wiccan hippies in the Troth, practicing witchcraft to Neo-Nazis, goose-stepping in the showers of Pelican Bay prison. Asatru means too much to too many people to really mean anything. It is a catch-all word. Odinism, like Theodism, means something very defined. Odinism doesn’t mean everything in Heathendom.

4. Our relations with the Gods. Odinists put extreme importance on the God Odin and his wife Frigga. Asatru people put a lot less importance on Odin and Frigga.

5. Odinists believe Odin is the ultimate Godhead. Asatru people do not. Sigi Harrbard said in his book that all the Gods and Goddesses of the Folk are really just masks of Odin. Odinism can sound like monotheism, but it mostly is not. I don’t believe that, but I believe everything serves Odin and Frigga. Most Asatru either don’t believe this or believe it to a much lesser degree.

6. Odinism believes the Gods are living being that can be contacted here and now. Personal relationship with the Gods is more important than studying books. Odinists believe Odin is the God-King of our Folk. He always was and always will be King. Odin was the Alfather over 100 billion zillion big bangs and multi-verse creations and deaths before the big bang that created our own multi-verse, as well as, Odin will be the Alfather of every new multi-verse created and destroyed after ours ends: on to a billion eternities. Asatru people don’t believe this. Some Asatru people believe this atheist crap that some non-Heathen mythologist created without any proof that Tyr was the first Alfather. If this was true, it would mean the entire Heathen faith was untrue and nothing more than a collection of myths and folklore as some in Asatru teach. Odinism is a religion, not a study of Norse mythology. Odin is God eternal.

7. Folk, race, and politics. Asatru people debate Folkish Vs Universal. I have been an Odinist since 1978. I never met one single Odinist who was a universalist. All Odinists believe Odinism is not for export and is a uniquely Caucasian religion.

8. Odinism is like Islam; it is a total worldview. Odinism is a religious, spiritual, economic, social, and political movement, and Asatru is just a religion.

9. Odinism is not a hyper-ethnic centered religion of people of Germanic, Norse, Saxon, etc. ancestry as some see Asatru. Many Asatru people think Asatru is just for Germanic people. Odinism treats Norse, Germanics, Slavs, Basques, Celts, Baltics, Balkans, Greeks, Spaniards, Russians, etc. as all Children of Odin. Odinism is the religion of the Greater Northern Folk. Most Odinists see Odinsim as a Nation of Islam for White people. Odinism is a religion to bring our people together, but to divide them.

10. Odinists believe in the fall of the West and most pray for it. Once the West falls, the Gods can return and we can rebuild our homeland anew. Most Asatru people don’t believe in the fall and rebirth of the West. Oh, that’s ten differences. Time to go.

26 comments:

  1. Odinism is not about keeping other races out. Odin vali and Vi did not make separate races. they made one. that race spread all over the earth. and man adapted to its environment. we except all who wish to come, yet we do not ask people outside of our family and friends to join.

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    1. Other races do not belong in our native religion or any other people's ancestral religion which is why Nordic people until very recently were completely unmixed. If you believe in universalism you are a Christian. You certainly are no Odinist..

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    2. In my opinion a mixed-blooded can always only be a Thrall or "lesser brother or sister".

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    3. The concept that all living humans are descended from 2 individuals and thus cinsequently there are no races is a false one and has more to do with the lie of the Abrahamic religions than our Germanic Weltanschauung.

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    4. We do not came from two primates. That's closing your eyes. We came from a race that was born in central Africa, mixed with other close races, like the Neanderthal, then overcame then. We spread around the world. Many ethnicities were born from this migration. The caucasians evolved in the climate of Europe, that's well know mostly cold. We had to use fur and pelts to warm ourselves, and, as our skin had too many melanine, we couldn't produce sufficient vitamine D. Our skin started to clear. There's no "pure race". I have portuguese ancestrality. But that's bs. No one is pure nordic, pure japanese, pure african or pure portuguese. When a group of beings live in an area, and only reproduce with themselves, starts a phenomenon called Galapagos syndrome. Not in the level of the island, a specie start to develop similar characteristics, such as skin colour, physical appearance (mostly facial), a culture and a particular language, though.
      All my point is: we do not have to prevent other people to enter the religion just because their "origins" or their skin colour. Let's don't commit this error again of judging the faith of a person based on his appearance. We have to take a religion as a point of view to improve our lifes, not let it blinds us.

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  2. I think this is more what you believe Odinist and Asatru is, it is not what I believe, we all have different paths, I believe the the gods and goddesses of the Vanir and Aesir are real, and that the saga's and edda's are stories and also lessons to follow, I do blots in my everyday clothes, I believe that what you do is more important than what you say, and our oaths and honour is important. I call myself Heathen, I also use asatru.

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  4. Also, I am going to enlighten you a bit on this topic. This is a part of a write up I did on the "aryan nation" filth that has insulted our Northern European nations. Here is a link for you to read. After you have read the article in its entirety, read the comments by Glamslinky. That's me.

    https://thebluereview.org/most-say-aryan-nations/
    I am half-Swedish and half-Norwegian, whose family moved from Oslo in the late 1930's. I would really like to know what your reasoning is behind all of this narcissistic rambling. Please enlighten me.

    Thanks,

    Aslaug

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  6. You should rename the title to "Ten Biased Differences Between Odinism and Asatru"

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  7. The gods created ALL man and women not just a specific race .. Don't be biased nor racist for that is not the will of odin
    Aesir and Vanir gods, speak to us everyday...don't label it as Asatru or Odinism...it's a universal way of life under the watch of our gods

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    1. The Germanic peoples were formed in the image of their own Gods and conversely our Gods were formed in our image. The Gods of our ancestors were thus tribal deities as are the Gods of other peoples and races. It is only in the Abrahamic religions that we find the lie of a 'universal god': there is and can be no such thing.This concept of a 'universal god' feeds the group pschosis of judaism, islam and xtianity and is behind their murderous attempts at global submission and conformity.

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  8. If you idiots would read the eddas and sagas you might begin to unserstand that non white poeple come from that which created trolls and other unbecoming creatures not in asgard or vanaheim. Educate yourselves or the white race shall parish due to brain rot.

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  9. I was doing research on my family tree and saw my family on both sides had Scandinavian ancestry. But my father is not only Scandinavian American, he is also Native American Indian and Guatemalan. His last name is Copas which is Spanish. He is Scandinavian on his father's mother's side. My mother is just Scandinavian American and Irish. On the family tree, I saw on my mom's side we are related to Ragnar Lothbrok through Sigurd Snake in the Eye and on dad's side through Bjorn Iron Side. I have been doing research to see what path I should take, but I am married to a Hispanic man from Guatemala with some Mayan ancestry and I would like to join the path of my ancestors where my marriage to someone not white wouldn't be a problem. I thought this article would be helpful, but after reading it, I feel like I wouldn't belong in Odinism or Asatru.

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    1. You do know that Sigurd and Bjorn were brothers and sons of Ragnar. So your mom and dad are related down through your family tree.

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    2. You do know that Sigurd and Bjorn were brothers and sons of Ragnar. So your mom and dad are related down through your family tree.

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    3. Brittany, it appears that we are related via Sigurd Snake-in-the-Eye! As such this makes you a descendant of Odin via the Volsungs. Don't be afraid to approach our Gods.They are living in your blood.

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  10. There are hundreds of open-race religions and sects in this world, the second ONE of them caters to only Caucasians, everyone loses their mind.
    Let Europeans have their religion. People shouldn't feel obliged to share the one thing that's holding their culture together these days.
    Besides, it would make no sense for my white ass to join an African cult, would it? Oh, and people would be all up in arms about cultural appropriation.

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  12. Interesting that you preface your list with a disclaimer clarifying you do not intend to offend Asatruar, in the next paragraph you make clear that this is a free-flowing list of points, and finally produce a list of ten differences that seem to lead directly into heated and venomous anti-asatru rants.

    The main difference I can see is that your personal ideology and mindset is just as inflexible as many fundamentalist Christians. I hope this intolerance is not meant to be indicative of Odinism. If so, this might ought to be first on your list of differences....just saying...

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